tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post3364702184514628476..comments2024-03-06T09:18:03.419-08:00Comments on Tartarus Press: Is Artificial Intelligence the Work of the Devil?Tartarus Presshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03421198616544251552noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-2812348155877003832024-02-01T10:56:52.630-08:002024-02-01T10:56:52.630-08:00Hi, Will. You are right that it is often possible ...Hi, Will. You are right that it is often possible to identify AI art with specific generators, and also with different stages in the development of those generators. I wonder if 'outdated' AI art will be like other art forms that become passe, but which we then look back on as evoking a certain time (and place) and which we then consider with a certain amount of nostalgia. The analogy might be with video, which is now available to anyone at astoundingly high resolution, but which people treat with software to give it the grainy low-res look of old vhs tapes, or the jumpy, scratched, brown fuzz of even older cine-film? There is definate "feel" to some AI art that, mixed with the errors, creates a weird effect that may be difficult to emulate as AI gets better and better... And you are quite right about the jacket for My Life as An Alien.Tartarus Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03421198616544251552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-62458771323597229302024-01-26T16:01:17.407-08:002024-01-26T16:01:17.407-08:00Am I wrong about the jacket? Am I wrong about the jacket? Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11210396814229950214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-12300444483706835552024-01-26T16:00:00.643-08:002024-01-26T16:00:00.643-08:00As someone who has played around briefly with AI a... As someone who has played around briefly with AI art creation I have found the images created to have the same flaws and artistic influence, so much so that some of the images in this article are identifiable to specific generators. I had a gut reaction to the jacket of 'My Life As An Alien' since it reminded me of some of the defaults of the software's like Midjourney and Stable Diffusion. I fear that AI can look dated very quickly. I hope that doesn't degrade the edition in the eyes of some. I have lots of respect for the author and bet the book is very good.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11210396814229950214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-60829659282269495312023-03-14T15:34:24.127-07:002023-03-14T15:34:24.127-07:00It'll be ok.It'll be ok.Ed Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11261554337890382141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-44320984854164567952023-03-09T13:52:51.647-08:002023-03-09T13:52:51.647-08:00Craft is great, but I think a lot of people think ...Craft is great, but I think a lot of people think craft *is* art (or more accurately art needs mastery of highly technical skills of representation) but while that can be the case it isn't always the case - as a painter I always felt I was in a battle between technical skill and emotion, with technical skill often killing the feeling of a piece. Getting a balance was always my biggest challenge as an artist.<br /><br />Im starting to see more images made with AI that, if you didn't know they were using it, might well evoke the same sort of emotional responses as traditional art. Most people are not aiming at that, but those who are do sometimes capture a lot of emotion and feeling. <br /><br />I so agree about the comparison with the arrival of digital. Of course before that it was the arrival of photography.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887515584820108688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-28830211958584948732023-03-09T13:39:19.622-08:002023-03-09T13:39:19.622-08:00I agree - I think of AI as an 'imagination cam...I agree - I think of AI as an 'imagination camera' that takes photos of things that do not exist. Which fits in nicely with my digital art because I prefer digital collage to digital painting (which as a trad oil painter just feels horribly artificial and limited to me). I'm using AI to 'photograph' imaginary things and then collaging with them digitally.<br /><br />One thing I have observed looking at a lot of user galleries in Midjourney is that the experienced photographers using it often stand out and get great results.<br /><br />I don't think you are oversimplifying at all.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887515584820108688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-61617513074586059862023-03-09T11:23:29.021-08:002023-03-09T11:23:29.021-08:00I agree, Gina. The analogy with photography seems ...I agree, Gina. The analogy with photography seems apt. Allied skills are required, but nobody would suggest that a photographer has the craft of a painter. Somebody said today that AI will destroy the jobs of digital artists, but only a decade ago digital artists themselves were meant to be taking the jobs of traditional artists. I will still pick up a pen and pencil and draw--it satisfies an entirely different part of my creativity. The most amazing AI image will never hang on my wall and satisfty the soul in the same way as an original painting or drawing.Tartarus Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03421198616544251552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-72878716400788958042023-03-09T11:07:06.827-08:002023-03-09T11:07:06.827-08:00I've not tried producing art using AI, but fro...I've not tried producing art using AI, but from what I've been told it makes me think of photography. When I take a photograph, I choose the subject, I'm responsible for making sure that the light's right, I choose the camera settings and all that stuff, but in the end I simply press a button to produce the end result. Nobody suggests that it's not my photograph. Or, as someone who hasn't created AI art, am I oversimplifying it?<br /><br />I still paint, draw, etc., and I can't imagine that the existence of AI will stop anyone doing that - creative people are driven to create. But things are always changing. Imagine how ticked off those miniaturists were when photography came along to record people's faces for a fraction of the cost. And, as you said, artists have always had to adapt.Gina Colliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969596679387461326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-73336690508498686972023-03-09T07:16:19.053-08:002023-03-09T07:16:19.053-08:00Good to see a publisher that clearly sees AI as so...Good to see a publisher that clearly sees AI as something that can be used alongside other image making though. It can complement rather than supplant other established approaches.<br /><br />While you can use AI without being an experienced artist, it does take artistic skill and judgement to create good prompts and do postwork. I'm an artist and illustrator active in a number of AI communities on social media and those users without artistic skills are currently flooding some communities looking for advice in how to get good results - the answer they generally get? Learn to draw, paint and use Photoshop.<br /><br />Its a fun toy for many, but its a tool (among many) for artists. we create inputs for AI, use our knowledge to create prompts and select results and do postwork and all of that can go into getting the best results. a lot of us, myself included, have been exploring how to get more controlled results from AI that allow for something akin to regular art direction. Prompting can be like herding cats - results dont go in the desired direction, things get omitted or changed. The more complex the need visual the more this happens and the more other art skills are required to do things like creating composites from multiple AI renders. Sometimes that is the only way to get the desired result. <br /><br />Its possible to set us artists aside, but risks substandard results that wont fit a brief.<br /><br /> Im a traditional artist and illustrator who learned to use digital and now also uses AI.<br />Supernatural/strange/horror fiction is very much my thing, so if you need a new illustrator anytime (trad, digital or AI or any combination) my LinkTree is <br />https://linktr.ee/hybridartifactsPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887515584820108688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-73744022808145600072023-03-09T06:20:06.624-08:002023-03-09T06:20:06.624-08:00My understanding is that machine-learning (or AI) ...My understanding is that machine-learning (or AI) doesn't simply take an image and reproduce elements of the image, which would make copyright issues easy to adjudicate. It is potentially a legal minefield from which only the legal profession will benefit!Tartarus Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03421198616544251552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629917786365957206.post-76959282192273286862023-03-09T05:54:48.844-08:002023-03-09T05:54:48.844-08:00I think that the major problem to be considered ab...I think that the major problem to be considered about this matter, from the perspective of a publisher, is the copyright. There are a number of legal trials already on paper, where the AI-generated work is assimilated to acts of plagiarism. The question is: who will pay for that? A small publishing house could be crushed and even a medium-sized one could be endangered from such a decision. In a few years (or months) the so-called AI will be able to generate consistent fiction in small formats (drabbles) and it will not take long before the format reach a full-scale novel. So, it will be the same problem, factorized by ten times.Angelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09829968709455501261noreply@blogger.com